Jokeman Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Perks said: Epah, vai parecer mal mas quando li o título pensei, "eis a oportunidade que faltava para o Quaresma voltar" para mim Não parece nada mal. Havia de vir ele e os portugueses que lá estão e quiserem/puderem vir. A situação está muito crítica em termos de segurança. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini0n Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Fdx essa descrição do vídeo pqp... Mas agora é todos os dias sangue a rodos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joaodsmf Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Algo chocante: Spoiler Será que posso pôr mais assim a evitar aqueles videos com os corpos meio etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooM Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Soldados rendem-se e fala-se em 60 mortes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOX Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 É este país que quer entrar na UE ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr_cardoso Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 11 hours ago, PunK_BoY said: Por acaso não se chama Simas Santos? isso é nome artístico/profissional, lol, para mim é João ou só Simas (era meu vizinho - até a malta crescer, casar, ter filhos e bazar de onde viveu ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunK_BoY Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Espero que a escala tenha acabado antes disto tudo começar... Senão ainda está lá preso no aeroporto. Rica lua de mel lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOX Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PunK_BoY said: Espero que a escala tenha acabado antes disto tudo começar... Senão ainda está lá preso no aeroporto. Rica lua de mel lol Infelizmente viajar para países destes é sempre um risco , eu lembro-me que tinha viagem marcada para o Egipto 4 dias antes daquilo ter rebentado ! Tive sorte senão tinha passado mal ! Nõ sei se tirar este prisente dali não seria bom !Este senor tem umas ideologias um bocado exremas ! Edited July 16, 2016 by NOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GODfromage Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 O azar destes militares é que a maioria desta população efectivamente gosta do estado das coisas. Foi pena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotha Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Pelo que falam deste Presidente, até tinha sido positivo terem-no derrubado, ou estou a interpretar mal a situação? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOX Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Jotha said: Pelo que falam deste Presidente, até tinha sido positivo terem-no derrubado, ou estou a interpretar mal a situação? Estas a intrepertar bem , este presidente tem relacoes proximas com faccoes radicais e é autoritário , por exemplo controla a imprensa ao maximo e não gosta muito de liberdades ! Kerem Özcan 6 hrs · To my non-Turkish friends, who have been asking me about what has happened in Turkey in the past few hours. Here is what we know with some background. I'll try to keep it as unbiased as possible. Background: - Turkey is de facto ruled by Erdogan since 2002. He started his political career as a traditional islamist and rebranded himself as a conservative politician as the founder of AKP. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Party_(Turkey ) - Turkish Military used to be strictly secular until ~2010. They have staged several other coups in the past 60 years. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/…/Category:Military_coups_in_Turkey ) - They have also released a statement targeting Erdogan's non-secular politics in 2007. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-memorandum ) - In 2010, there was a constitutional referendum, which gave Erdogan's government more control over judicial system. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/…/Turkish_constitutional_referendu… ) - Following the 2010 referendum, certain prosecutors were given extraordinary powers to prosecute secular high-rank officers in the military, for planning a coup against Erdogan's government. Whether there really was a coup attempt remains controversial, and the answer you get will be different depending on who you ask. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sledgehammer_(coup_plan) ) - It is fair to say that Turkish military has not been secular in the same sense after the prosecutions in 2010. There was a shift of power. A number of new high-ranked officials who filled the vacant spots allegedly had ties with Gulen movement. Gulen movement is an islamist movement, which has traditionally been allies with Erdogan. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen_movement ) - In 2013, Erdogan and leader of Gulen movement parted their ways. I'm not going to go into detail about this, but since 2013 a lot of prominent members of Gulen movement were prosecuted for attempting a coup against Erdogan. That includes military officers, police staff and politicians. The leader of the movement, Fethullah Gulen, is a religious clerk and he's currently in exile in USA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_G%C3%BClen… ) What happened today: - A group of ~50 mostly medium rank military officers tried to topple Erdogan's government. As of now, it looks like the attempt has failed. - A number of government officials, including President Erdogan and Prime Minister Yildirim, spoke to the media saying the coup attempt was staged by military officers that are affiliated with Gulen movement. ( http://www.theatlantic.com/…/2…/07/turkey-government/491579/) - Erdogan called people to take to the streets and stand against the coup. People reacted strongly and took over the streets. Within a couple hours police forces took control and restored the order in most places. People walked on top of tanks and chanted against the coup. Also, several high rank military officers from different parts of Turkey strongly expressed their opposition against the coup and sided with the government. - To reiterate: It looks like it was NOT the secular military officers who tried to topple the government. It seems it was mostly medium rank officers who were affiliated with the Gulen movement, which is an islamist movement. However, Gulen movement rejects this claim. - Another popular theory is that this coup was a hoax staged by Erdogan to increase his popularity. Whether this is true or not, it will certainly serve for that purpose. People are concerned that Erdogan will use this coup attempt to start a witch hunt against all opposition and Turkey is on the verge of an even more authoritarian period. Couple of other observations: - It was interesting that almost everyone, regardless of their political position, stood against the coup attempt. The members of parliament from the secular/social-democrat CHP, nationalist MHP and left-wing HDP all opposed the coup attempt. I have never heard anyone (or read any comments) that supported the coup, even in the very beginning when it seemed like the coup would succeed. That was also true for various media outlets in very different sides of the political spectrum. - It was also very interesting how government officials used FaceTime to make live announcements. I may write a whole another post about this once the dust settles. (http://money.cnn.com/…/tech…/turkey-coup-facetime-interview/ ) - Whatever is the case, I think it is fair to say that this attempt will help Erdogan to solidify his power and use it to push his political agenda. Edited July 16, 2016 by NOX 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooM Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Erdogan podia facilmente limitar muito o ISIS ou e seria uma peça importante para os destruir mas prefere fechar os olhos e atacar os Curdos (até chegou a usar bases da NATO para o fazer) enquanto estes lutam contra o ISIS porque os Curdos estragaram os seus planos presidenciais nas ultimas eleições. Já prendeu milhares de académicos e centenas de jornalistas por o criticarem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr_cardoso Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 1 hour ago, PunK_BoY said: Espero que a escala tenha acabado antes disto tudo começar... Senão ainda está lá preso no aeroporto. Rica lua de mel lol Já saiu de lá e já chegou ao destino. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 E se foi tudo orquestrado pelo presidente? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOX Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Archie said: E se foi tudo orquestrado pelo presidente? Tem de haver sempre uma teoria da conspiracão senão nem tinha graca ! Neste caso seria muito bom para eles , tem "desculpa" para arrumar os opositores e fazer oq ue quer ! Edited July 16, 2016 by NOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_matrix Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Que cobarde, a grande maioria destas mortes foram provocadas por este presidente. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruit Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Um golpe imbecil... Como é possível??? Enquanto na sic noticias o jornalista encontra o presidente a voar para istambul a 25 minutos de voo (om o avião presidencial devidamente identificado)... aviões F-16 sobrevoam a capital e lançam algumas bombas (em direto). Será que os golpistas também não conheciam o flightradar24.com ? Não era mais fácil um F-16 atirar abaixo um avião do que ir bombardear uma casa a 400Km ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dastinger Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 @PunK_BoY @jr_cardoso O vosso amigo ainda teve mais sorte. Os voos todos de e para a Turquia foram cancelados. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasco G Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Foi pena, uma Turquia cada vez mais islamizada e autoritária é péssimo. Mas também ninguém nos garante que em caso de sucesso as coisas fossem melhorar. Pelo menos um bocado burros os golpistas eram, então vão embarcar numa merda destas sem assegurar os apoios necessários para ter sucesso? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EsCk Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 A Turquia é uma peça fundamental nos tempos que correm de extremismo islâmico. Já aqui há uns anos, quando a Turquia esteve mais próxima de entrar na UE, este era um dos pontos mais polémicos. O presidente atual não quer cortar os laços que tem com algumas fações islâmicas mais "controversas", para dizer desta forma. Aliás, este dito presidente, já tem uma data de pérolas em discursos dele que apontam claramente para um gajo com mentalidade da pré-história e extremamente conservador islâmico. Resumindo, não me importava nada que este presidente fosse abaixo, mas acho que a primavera árabe ensinou-nos uma lição valiosa: estes povos árabes precisam dum fdp autoritário e ditador com mão neles. Senão, vira uma selva digna da idade da pedra, com as tribos todas a dividirem-se e começa tudo à porrada numa guerra civil. Para isso mais vale ficar lá no poleiro um nojento como o Erdogan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberurbis Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 4 hours ago, Archie said: E se foi tudo orquestrado pelo presidente? Era exactamente o que aqui vinha dizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GODfromage Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 O presidente falou que no golpe havia desde soldados rasos a altas patentes. Nas imagens "segundo os entendidos" aparecem soldados com uniformes que não são para o tamanho deles, algo habitual nos membros que estão a cumprir o serviço militar obrigatório naquele país. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberurbis Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/16/fethullah-gulen-turkey-coup-erdogan?CMP=fb_gu isto sim, preocupante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasco G Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 O gajo já demitiu juízes e prendeu militares, basicamente isto vai servir de desculpa para fazer o que quiser. Temos uma ditadura islâmica radical na Europa, está bonito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revenge Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Já demitiu quase 3000 Juízes. Cada vez mais me convenço que isto foi propositado para agora ter a desculpa de fazer o que quiser. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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