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[Farnerud]

por aqui maxthon, q utiliza a base do IE mas com muitas mais funcionalidades.

e ja experimentei o firefox e continuo a preferir este

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[Danieluz]

Firefox aqui.

[jamesp0tter]

A razão pela qual o IE da' menos problemas que outro browser qq a visualizar paginas e' apenas uma: o monopolio M$.

Pura e simplesmente o IE dominou por muito tempo, o que fez com que os webdesigners optassem por soluções compativeis com o IE, "cagando" (dsclp o termo) para o resto. Esses tempos ja' la' vão.

Hoje em dia um webdesigner que se preze escreve codigo compativel com todos os browsers, e não codigo apenas compativel com o IE.

Trocando por putos, a culpa dos sites não funcionarem correctamente com outros browsers que não o IE e' do próprio site. A maioria esta' a deixar o IE, e se os sites não querem perder clientes têm de se actualizar.

O futuro ta' ai', e o IE definitivamente não tem parte dominante nele ;)

[pixinas]

Já mudei po firefo, pena é ele crashar quando ento importar as passwords do ie. Lá vou ter de ir ao livrinho ver as pass e escreve-las de novo....

[Cheshire Cat]

Mozilla Firefox 1.0PR... n há melhor :y:

[Archie]

Why use Firefox?

Popup Blocking

Stop annoying popup ads in their tracks with Firefox's built in popup blocker.

Tabbed Browsing

View more than one web page in a single window with this time saving feature. Open links in the background so that they're ready for viewing when you're ready to read them. Find out more...

Privacy and Security

Built with your security in mind, Firefox keeps your computer safe from malicious spyware by not loading harmful ActiveX controls. A comprehensive set of privacy tools keep your online activity your business.

Smarter Search

Google Search is built right into the toolbar, and there are a plethora of other search tools including Keywords (type "dict <word>" in the Location Bar), and the new find toolbar (which finds as you type and eliminates the annoying window that always seems to be in your way).

Live Bookmarks

RSS integration lets you read the latest news headlines and read updates to your favorite sites that are syndicated. Find out more...

Hassle-Free Downloading

Files you download are automatically saved to your Desktop so they're easy to find. Fewer prompts mean files download quicker.

Fits Like a Glove

Simple and intuitive, yet fully featured, Firefox has all the functions you're used to - Bookmarks, History, Full Screen, Text Zooming to make pages with small text easier to read, etc.

S, M, L or XL—You Choose

Firefox is the most customizable browser on the planet. Customize your toolbars to add additional buttons, install new Extensions that add new features, add new Themes to browse with style, and use the adaptive search system to allow you to search an infinite number of engines. Firefox is as big or small as you want.

Setup's a Snap

At only 4.5MB (Windows), Firefox takes just a few minutes to download over a slow connection and seconds over a fast connection. The installer gets you set up quickly, and the new Easy Transition system imports all of your settings - Favorites, passwords and other data from Internet Explorer and other browsers - so you can start surfing right away.

A Developer's Best Friend

Firefox comes with a standard set of developer tools including a powerful JavaScript and CSS error/warning console, and an optional Document Inspector that gives detailed insight about your pages.

Read Mail—Not Spam

Thunderbird is the perfect complement to Firefox.

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Podem tb ver este artigo da Forbes.

Para mim não há nada melhor. Já não passo sem as tabs nem as mouse gestures (ou seja, com movimentos pré definidos do rato fecho tabs, abro novas janelas, desactivo ou activo cookies, volto para trás, volto para a frente, etc...etc...). Consegui meter o meu browser XXXS :P Além disso tenho o estado do tempo para a semana toda integrado no browser, assim como os comandos para o Foobar...motores de busca integrados, etc. Vou ver se meto aqui uma screeshot da minha barra para verem.

E claro, há montes e montes de plugins, que aqui são chamados de 'extensions'...e algumas cenas que referiram aqui que não davam com o mozilla...instalem as extensions :P

Ah, tb vejo se tenho emails novos no gmail. :fox:

Edited October 5, 2004 by Archie

[IrnMdn]

Por estes lados uitliza-se o Opera (the fastest browser on earth :-.. ).

E cada vez se detesta mais o IE. Porque, perguntam voçês. Porque ainda na semana passada aqui o rapazote foi ao astalavista tentar fazer uma pesquisazita, e qual nao e o espanto ao ver que a pagina nao abria (com o Opera).

1º pensamento que me surgiu - isto deve ser incompatibilidade, e la vou eu para o IE.

E no IE abriu tao rapido que nem deu pra ver os 40 files associado a spyware e afims que a bosta do site me instalou, e o mais grave é que esse cocktail craxava o windows.

Conclusao, se nao tivesse outra partição com outro sistema oerativo para poder correr o software adequado á situção, teria de perder horas a re-instalar e configurar o sistema. Graças ao IE (bosta), sim porque o Opera nem abriu a pagina.

P.S. - Desculpem se me alonguei em demasia.

[Archie]

Tem piada...o Opera é o "Fastest Browser on Earth" de acordo com eles próprios :P

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Are the Browser Wars Back?
How Mozilla's Firefox trumps Internet Explorer.
By Paul Boutin
Posted Wednesday, June 30, 2004, at 11:03 AM PT

I usually don't worry about PC viruses, but last week's Scob attack snapped me awake. The clever multi-stage assault, carried out by alleged Russian spam crime lords, infiltrated corporate Web servers and then used them to infect home computers. The software that Scob (also known as Download.ject) attempted to install on its victims' machines included a keystroke logger.

In less than a day, Internet administrators sterilized the infection by shutting down the Russian server that hosted the spyware. But not before a barrage of scary reports had circled the world. "Users are being told to avoid using Internet Explorer until Microsoft patches a serious security hole," the BBC warned. (Disclosure: Microsoft owns Slate.) CNET reporter Robert Lemos zeroed in on why the attack was so scary. "This time," he wrote, "the flaws affect every user of Internet Explorer." That's about 95 percent of all Net users. No matter how well they had protected themselves against viruses, spyware, and everything else in the past, they were still vulnerable to yet another flaw in Microsoft's browser.

Scob didn't get me, but it was enough to make me ditch Explorer in favor of the much less vulnerable Firefox browser. Firefox is built and distributed free by the Mozilla Organization, a small nonprofit corporation spun off last year from the fast-fading remnants of Netscape, which was absorbed by AOL in 1999. Firefox development and testing are mostly done by about a dozen Mozilla employees, plus a few dozen others at companies like IBM, Sun, and Red Hat. I've been using it for a week now, and I've all but forgotten about Explorer.

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The browser wars are long over, but that does not mean that Internet Explorer will rule forever. Alternatives are coming up very quickly, even surpassing some of the features Internet Explorer has. Meanwhile, the newly formed IE team has to fix the web that it has broken.

But that's not the issue for the end user. What they want is a browser with sufficient functionality, speed, and of course, displaying stuff well.

Who are the contenders? Opera 7.5, Firefox 0.91 and Internet Explorer 6 SP1.

First, we take a look at the screen area of the browsers.
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Screen area
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Setup:
Internet Explorer: Menu bar, icon bar, address bar
Firefox: Menu bar, icon + address bar
Opera: Menu bar, icon + address bar

Notes:
There's actually a text ad in unregistered copies in Opera, and I have one too. Therefore, I just take a screenshot, edit the screenshot and move the menu bar up to where the text ad is, and there I roughly calculate the area. And IE has too many icons, if not I could have moved the address bar to where the icon bar is.

Test:
The test is easy to conduct. I just switch between windows, and there you can get a gauge about what is happening. For more accurate testing, I put them side by side too.

Results:
Opera wins, followed by Firefox. I use the default theme for Firefox for the testing, if you use Qute, you will find that they both have the same screen area. Internet Explorer could have done better if the address bar was next to the icon bar.

Internet Explorer: 1
Firefox: 2
Opera: 3
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Default Theme
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Some people just aren't motivated to find new themes, so they just stick with the default one... So let's evaluate the default theme.

Notes:
I am using Windows XP with Internet Explorer, so we'll judge by that theme. We'll also use the default themes for Opera and Firefox.

Test:
Well, just look.

Results:
Opera wins hands down. The theme is applied everywhere, including checkboxes and ticks. Internet Explorer comes in second, for its well detailed icons which are nice looking, although there are some inconsistencies once you open up Internet Options. However, Firefox's theme sucks. It looks like it has been made in Microsoft Paint. If you gave me Qute, I would give it a better rank than Opera.

Internet Explorer: 2
Firefox: 1
Opera: 3
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Ease of Use
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Simplicity is bliss.

Test:
I looked around, playing with features and exploring.

Results:
Opera has a very organised and consistent feel, but it still lost to Firefox and Internet Explorer. The features are overwhelming and are sorted into many different categories, and doing something as simple as switching proxy servers required me to look around a bit. Internet Explorer's was not so bad, although it was also cluttered. Firefox gave me the most ease of use, it was simple and easy to navigate, and the features are laid out very nicely and neatly. It looked the most professional.

Internet Explorer: 2
Firefox: 3
Opera: 1
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Speed
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What's the point of surfing the net with slow speed? Here, we take the browsers to the speed test. You have to render pages quickly to keep up.

Test:
I used estimation, and in some cases, accurate timing.

Results:
Firefox took 3 seconds, Opera took 5 seconds and Internet Explorer took 10 seconds.

Internet Explorer: 1
Firefox: 3
Opera: 2
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Rendering Engine
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However fast it gets, if you can't render things well, YOU DIE!

Notes:
Internet Explorer broke the web, now it must fix it.

Test:
Just open a page with complex CSS and stuff.

Results:
Both Opera and Firefox tie with each other. They both display pages very well and smooth. Internet Explorer comes in third, it broke the web and uses its own standards. And they don't support W3C's standards very well.

Internet Explorer: 1
Firefox: 3
Opera: 3
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Downloads
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Downloads are important in every web browser. Almost everyone will use them. We're not talking about web pages, images etc, but zip files, exe files and more.

Test:
Download a file.

Results:
Both Opera and Firefox are very good contenders, but I gave an extra point to Firefox for its simplicity again. Opera has lots of functionality but is very hard to access a simple feature such as cleaning up. But it lets you open via WinZip if you have it etc., so it's more convenient. You can restart the download in Opera too, which you can't do in Firefox. However, nothing can beat Firefox's functionality.

Internet Explorer: 1
Firefox: 3
Opera: 2
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Functionalities
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Functionalities are little extras that are vital. These do not include plug-ins.

Test:
Explore the functionalities.

Results:
Opera wins, no doubt. Cluttered it may be, its functions cannot be beaten by both IE and Firefox. You can write notes and morre in Opera which you can't do in any other browser. Firefox comes in second, it has a very good extension manager, and DOM Inspector is expected to work soon. Internet Explorer has no tab browser, images etc, so it obviously loses.

Internet Explorer: 1
Firefox: 2
Opera: 3
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Plug-ins
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Plug-ins are very nifty extras that some people might use at some point.

Test:
Test out how to install and uninstall plug-ins.

Results:
Firefox wins in this section, with its very easy to use extension manager. IE comes in second, although it is very easily exploited particularly in this area. I couldn't find any extension manager in Opera, so it comes in last.

Internet Explorer: 2
Firefox: 3
Opera: 1
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Support
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Which brings us to our last section, support.

Test:
See the help system.

Results:
For some reason, the help file is missing in FF 0.91 although it was present in 0.9. But still, it loses, although it has a friendly community, because it's not present. Internet Explorer is second, it's help file is quite informative although it's messy. Opera is first in this section, it's help file is easy to navigate and it's community is friendly.

Internet Explorer: 2
Firefox: 1
Opera: 3
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Results
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Both Firefox and Opera tie with each other with 21 points. Internet Explorer, meanwhile, only receives 13 points. However, I would like to give an extra point to Firefox because of it's overall simplicity and look. If only Opera was free...

Podem ver a thread completa aqui.

Edited October 5, 2004 by Archie

[Reverse]

E claro, há montes e montes de plugins, que aqui são chamados de 'extensions'...e algumas cenas que referiram aqui que não davam com o mozilla...instalem as extensions :P

Ah, tb vejo se tenho emails novos no gmail. :fox:

mas como ? com uma extension? dd sako a extension?

:fnf:

[cel]

Why use Firefox?

Popup Blocking

Stop annoying popup ads in their tracks with Firefox's built in popup blocker.

Tabbed Browsing

View more than one web page in a single window with this time saving feature. Open links in the background so that they're ready for viewing when you're ready to read them. Find out more...

Privacy and Security

Built with your security in mind, Firefox keeps your computer safe from malicious spyware by not loading harmful ActiveX controls. A comprehensive set of privacy tools keep your online activity your business.

Smarter Search

Google Search is built right into the toolbar, and there are a plethora of other search tools including Keywords (type "dict <word>" in the Location Bar), and the new find toolbar (which finds as you type and eliminates the annoying window that always seems to be in your way).

Live Bookmarks

RSS integration lets you read the latest news headlines and read updates to your favorite sites that are syndicated. Find out more...

Hassle-Free Downloading

Files you download are automatically saved to your Desktop so they're easy to find. Fewer prompts mean files download quicker.

Fits Like a Glove

Simple and intuitive, yet fully featured, Firefox has all the functions you're used to - Bookmarks, History, Full Screen, Text Zooming to make pages with small text easier to read, etc.

S, M, L or XL—You Choose

Firefox is the most customizable browser on the planet. Customize your toolbars to add additional buttons, install new Extensions that add new features, add new Themes to browse with style, and use the adaptive search system to allow you to search an infinite number of engines. Firefox is as big or small as you want.

Setup's a Snap

At only 4.5MB (Windows), Firefox takes just a few minutes to download over a slow connection and seconds over a fast connection. The installer gets you set up quickly, and the new Easy Transition system imports all of your settings - Favorites, passwords and other data from Internet Explorer and other browsers - so you can start surfing right away.

A Developer's Best Friend

Firefox comes with a standard set of developer tools including a powerful JavaScript and CSS error/warning console, and an optional Document Inspector that gives detailed insight about your pages.

Read Mail—Not Spam

Thunderbird is the perfect complement to Firefox.

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Podem tb ver este artigo da Forbes.

Para mim não há nada melhor. Já não passo sem as tabs nem as mouse gestures (ou seja, com movimentos pré definidos do rato fecho tabs, abro novas janelas, desactivo ou activo cookies, volto para trás, volto para a frente, etc...etc...). Consegui meter o meu browser XXXS :P Além disso tenho o estado do tempo para a semana toda integrado no browser, assim como os comandos para o Foobar...motores de busca integrados, etc. Vou ver se meto aqui uma screeshot da minha barra para verem.

E claro, há montes e montes de plugins, que aqui são chamados de 'extensions'...e algumas cenas que referiram aqui que não davam com o mozilla...instalem as extensions :P

Ah, tb vejo se tenho emails novos no gmail. :fox:

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o maxthon tem isso tudo tb e com melhores resultados.

O sistema de tabs é melhor q o firefox e o mousegestures tb esta superior na minha opiniao(qnd testei o firefox o mousegestures de vez em qnd falhava, principalmente se a pagina nao tivesse completamente carregada) e nao se passa a mostrar xml( ve esta pagina e depois faz um mouse gesture, na altura passava-se um bocado)

[Archie]

Por isso é que toda a gente usa o Maxthon :P Porque como tu dizes é melhor em tudo quem o Firefox :P Mas já agora diz porque é que essas coisas que tu referiste estão melhores no Maxthon do que no Firefox...

PS: Fui à tal página e não tive problemas nenhuns...

Edited October 5, 2004 by Archie

[cel]

na versoa q tenho(0.9.1) abro a pagina e ao fazer o mousegesture de back ela passa-se, ate punha screens, mas da muito trabalho

[Archie]

Uma pequena correcção à review acima:

Screen Area

Certamente quem fez a review não se aprofundou muito...consigo reduzir MUITO o tamanho.

Default Theme

Certamente é vesgo. Feito no Paint. Além disso, quem não quiser ter o trabalho para mudar de theme mais vale usar mesmo o IExplore :P

Funcionalities

O Firefox 1.0 PR já vem com funcionalidades novas.

Support

Quem é que o usa?

[Archie]

na versoa q tenho(0.9.1) abro a pagina e ao fazer o mousegesture de back ela passa-se, ate punha screens, mas da muito trabalho

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A versão do browser nada tem a haver com a versão da extension

[ohyeah]

Qurem então dizer que o mais fiavél e aconselhavél é o Maxthon?

É que eu uso o IE e quero ver se troco.

Thanks

[Rejetor]

Eu utilizo o IE, não por nenhum motivo em especial.... simplesmente pq não tenho tido problemas com o IE.

Não dúvido que o mozilla seja melhor... mas quando ouço argumentos do tipo do monopolio da m$ para trocar de browser... parece-me conversa de geek.

Aposto que tb tem uma partiçãozinha com o linux, né? :funny:

[[InVicTuS]]

uso o IE com o SP2... até agora nao tenho tido problema nenhum... já tem o popup blocker... nunca me senti tentado a mudar...

btw, no Linux, uso o Konqueror... é o k vem com o SuSE 9.1...

Edited October 5, 2004 by [InVicTuS]

[Tropa]

Maxthon...

ja usei opera, mozilla firefox e regressei sempre ao Maxthon

[jamesp0tter]

Eu utilizo o IE, não por nenhum motivo em especial.... simplesmente pq não tenho tido problemas com o IE.

Não dúvido que o mozilla seja melhor... mas quando ouço argumentos do tipo do monopolio da m$ para trocar de browser... parece-me conversa de geek.

Aposto que tb tem uma partiçãozinha com o linux, né? :funny:

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E' pena que penses assim So' mostra que não sabes do que falas.

[cRaZyzMaN]

aki firefox

[loki]

FIREFOX :coolmusic:

[ohyeah]

Tive a instalar o Maxtlhon e de facto parece-m ser bastante bom.O IE passou à história no meu pc. :bye: :bye:

[relvas]

Mozilla Firefox.

Há azar? :bye:

[tono]

A razão pela qual o IE da' menos problemas que outro browser qq a visualizar paginas e' apenas uma: o monopolio M$.

Pura e simplesmente o IE dominou por muito tempo, o que fez com que os webdesigners optassem por soluções compativeis com o IE, "cagando" (dsclp o termo) para o resto. Esses tempos ja' la' vão.

Hoje em dia um webdesigner que se preze escreve codigo compativel com todos os browsers, e não codigo apenas compativel com o IE.

Trocando por putos, a culpa dos sites não funcionarem correctamente com outros browsers que não o IE e' do próprio site. A maioria esta' a deixar o IE, e se os sites não querem perder clientes têm de se actualizar.

O futuro ta' ai', e o IE definitivamente não tem parte dominante nele ;)

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ta-m ca a parecer k o firefox ja era.

o maxthon ta a ganhar mtos utilizadores por ser uma versao melhorada do IE. ja n podem dizer tipo: "o meu mozilla tem X e o teu IE na erro no Y"

agr vai ser mais ao contrario.

mas eu continuo a usar o IE. é k n tenho paciencia nenhuma para tar nessas andanças. se o meu IE faz o minimo para k e k eu hei-d tar a mudar para uns k secalhar tenho k tar a juntar plugins ate pa funcarem ?!

é isso e as cenas dos ambientes de trabalho. vai dar td ao mesmo. desde k funcione por mim ta bom. n e por funcionar d maneira diferente k vai ser melhor.

outra coisa por mta gente n usar IE e po ser um producto MS. é um ódio as coisas MS k eu n percebo. mas enfim...

[flag]

li algures que o IE neste momento é mais seguro que o firefox, pois diz-se que o firefox é mais seguro pois nc teve um teste de segurança realmente sério pois só se preocupam em tentar mostrar as falhas do IE.

tem alguma razão de ser isto ?