justiceer Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 A zona da Crimeia, é historicamente, uma zona com povos turco-mongois, como os tártaros ou os cossacos. Por exemplo, a Bulgária ou a Hungria ou a própria Turquia são pessoas destas etnias. Só que desde que os Russos, começaram a sua expansão para sul e para este, foram massacrando os povos originais e assimilando outros no Russo. Por isso para ser sincero, tanto os Ucranianos como os Russos são invasores desses territórios. Em pequena escala, é o mesmo que se passa aqui ao lado em Olivença. Olivença durante séculos foi portuguesa, 600 anos, mas os espanhóis invadiram-na e não respeitaram os tratados assinados, mas por estar em posse espanhola há 200 anos é normal que a população agora se identifique mais com Espanha. Os mongóis e tártaros também invadiram os russos ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Pierre Omidyar co-funded Ukraine revolution groups with US government, documents show PandoDaily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revenge Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Mais que sabido que os States metem a maozinha em revoluções que lhes convém por interesses. A Russia não vai ficar atrás e duvido que abra mão de pontos estratégicos. É esperar que isto não corra muito mal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinas_ Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Estamos na eminência de iniciar a 3ª Guerra Mundial :n: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figos Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 O Papa que o diga. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spark Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Calma... isto resolve-se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GODfromage Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) Última Hora: Chefe de estado maior da marinha da ucrânia deserta e jura obediência a autoridades pró-russas da Crimeia. Edited March 2, 2014 by GODfromage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karkov Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Última Hora: Chefe de estado maior da marinha da ucrânia deserta e jura obediência a autoridades pré-rússas da Crimeia. E jura obediencia a algo de muito estranho. Estes Ucranianos estão loucos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GODfromage Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 É uma autoridade nova. LOL Já está melhor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellspinner Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Se isto fosse no mexico(por exemplo) e os states metessem as tropas em alerta, tudo normal! os russos metem as tropas em alerta, "ja vai começar a 3ª guerra mundial" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EsCk Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Alguém saltou uns posts à frente. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Empanada Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share Posted March 2, 2014 Mais que sabido que os States metem a maozinha em revoluções que lhes convém por interesses. A Russia não vai ficar atrás e duvido que abra mão de pontos estratégicos. É esperar que isto não corra muito mal. O homem criou o ebay, é milionário e criou uma organização para ajudar as pessoas. Neste caso ajudou protestantes que tavam a ser mortos todos os dias = U.S ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubrick Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Qual 3ª guerra. O que vai acontecer é guerra civil, sem intervenção externa declarada, mas com dois lados: ucraniano pro-russia patrocinados pelo kremlin e ucranianos pro-europa patrocinados pelos EUA. De outro modo a NATO tem de entrar na jogada. Assim, se for uma guerra EUA vs RUSSIA marcarada, ninguém tem de meter o bedelho e eles lá satisfazem os lobbies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hawk Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Muito provavelmente o que vai acontecer é balcanização da Ucrânia. Com ou sem guerra. As diferenças no seio da Ucrânia são muito grandes e o poder central é fraco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perks Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Russia has reportedly given Ukrainian forces in Crimea a deadline of 3am on Tuesday to surrender or face military action after troops seized key strategic sites in the peninsula. http://news.sky.com/story/1220272/ukraine-russia-surrender-threat-confusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizbo Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Já foi desmentido! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancer Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) Já foi desmentido! pelos russos? :P Edited March 3, 2014 by Lancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EsCk Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Menos hate aos EUA, loki, por favor. Nem sei o que está aí a porta da Líbia e da Síria a fazer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizbo Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Isso é porque não andas com atenção à DeepWeb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinas_ Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Putin Adviser Urges Dumping US Bonds In Reaction to Sanctions MOSCOW, March 4 (RIA Novosti) – An adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday that authorities would issue general advice to dump US government bonds in the event of Russian companies and individuals being targeted by sanctions over events in Ukraine. Sergei Glazyev said the United States would be the first to suffer in the event of any sanctions regime. “The Americans are threatening Russia with sanctions and pulling the EU into a trade and economic war with Russia,” Glazyev said. “Most of the sanctions against Russia will bring harm to the United States itself, because as far as trade relations with the United States go, we don’t depend on them in any way.” Glazyev noted that Russia is a creditor to the United States. "We hold a decent amount of treasury bonds – more than $200 billion – and if the United States dares to freeze accounts of Russian businesses and citizens, we can no longer view America as a reliable partner,” he said. “We will encourage everybody to dump US Treasury bonds, get rid of dollars as an unreliable currency and leave the US market.” According to US Treasury data from the end of 2013, Russian investments in US government bonds total around $139 billion out of a total of $5.8 trillion of US debt held in foreign hands.US Secretary of State John Kerry on Saturday warned that Russian military interventions in Ukraine, which have been justified by the Kremlin as protection for residents in heavily ethnic Russian-populated regions, could result in “serious repercussions” for Moscow. "Unless immediate and concrete steps are taken by Russia to deescalate tensions, the effect on US-Russian relations and on Russia's international standing will be profound," Kerry said. Kerry mentioned economic sanctions, visa bans and asset freezes as possible measures. Former deputy energy minister and lively government critic Vladimir Milov slammed Glazyev’s remarks, saying they would put further downward pressure on the ruble, which was pushed down Monday to a record low of 36.5 against the dollar amid fears about the possible outbreak of war. “That idiot Glazyev will keep talking until the dollar is worth 60 [rubles],” Milov wrote on his Twitter account. A high-ranking Kremlin source was quick to distance his office from Glazyev’s remarks, however, insisting to RIA Novosti that they represented only his personal position. Glazyev was just expressing his views as an academic, and not as a presidential adviser, the Kremlin insider said. rianovosti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini0n Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151917315347217 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizbo Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 O Putin veio dizer que já deu ordem às tropas russas para recuarem e que as intervenções militares que existiram foram pacificas sem tiros disparados. Por essa noticia parece é que as guerras agora passam a travadas noutro plano... o económico! Porventura os líderes darão mais valor à economia do que à vida dos seus compatriotas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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